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neilalex
12:22 Sat Sep 26
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My understanding of heroin is that it's not as dramatic an effect as coke or acid say, and you certainly need to do it a few times before you get 'hooked' and even then it's not like everyone does get hooked. But if it does get hold of you then you have a big problem, way beyond other drugs.
My sole experience of an opiate was when I was given a pre med prior to having my hand stitched up. The pre med is an opium derivative or a synthetic opiate. Really, really nice floaty, dreamy kind of experience. I can certainly see the attraction.
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The Ghost of Braderz
12:22 Sat Sep 26
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If you're balancing it with a normal life style ie working, socialising I'd say it's not too bad. However smoking an eighth a day I'd hazard a guess that he probably hasn't got the time for that normal life shit and is more than likely secluding himself a lot - that's whey its dangerous. I had a large spell like that and you can tell him your brain doesn't go back once you stop.
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Nurse Ratched
12:16 Sat Sep 26
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Neil, my experience very like yours. Except cannabis made me feel sick as well as want to sleep. I did try heroin a couple of time, too. Genuinely didn't think it was much to write home about. I obviously prefer speedier stuff.
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boltkunt
12:06 Sat Sep 26
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infidel, there's always a trigger as to why someone starts to get so deeply involved in it.
speaking from personal experience, my cousin died last year and i got into a bit of bother as i didn't deal with his death too well.
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Infidel
12:06 Sat Sep 26
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comma
Exactly.
Funny how the lessons of Prohibition in the US haven't been learned. It's so obvious.
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neilalex
12:05 Sat Sep 26
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I've never had a bad experience with drugs that I can remember. I never really got on with draw, it simply made me want to sleep. I seem to remember there being cannabis oil around at the time which was as strong as fuck, but simply made me fall asleep quicker.
But acid, coke including rocks, speed, mushrooms etc.etc, never had a bad time, even though in the 80's to 90's I was doing a fair amount of coke regularly. I always steered clear of any kind of opiate though, they seem to work on a different level when it comes to addiction.
By way of contrast a very close mate, who's now dead, had a problem with everything. With booze he had a problem, then dope, being spaced out all day every day, then coke, then finally heroin. With the latter he made serious efforts to give up but couldn't ,aided or cold turkey. Finally topped himself when the shame of nicking fivers and tenners from his mum's purse became too much. Big, hard as nails, otherwise confident and in control bloke. Ended up on the end of a length of rope in a wood.
In short I think the reaction to drugs is entirely individual, and some people just cannot cope with them, primarily from the point of view of moderating use. If you suspect that might be you, then steer clear. Everyone else is fine.
I don't do much now but that is primarily because you cannot find decent charlie. Utter garbage these days and not worth doing.
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Infidel
12:04 Sat Sep 26
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bolt
A mate of mine from University got himself hooked on coke.
A quite large group of us from those days are still friends and we get together three or four times a year for a dinner in London.
We used to invite him but we don't anymore. He was turning up high as a kite, buzzing, talking at a hundred miles an hour right up close to your face, you could feel the spit hitting you.
We have cut him out of everything - he poisons the atmosphere.
His life has been destroyed. He got himself arrested and the police found lines of cocaine in his flat. He had quite a high profile job and got fired as a result. His girlfriend left him. He's a complete fuck up.
And he used to be a fantastic bloke.
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Eerie Descent
12:04 Sat Sep 26
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'Chan is the most over-rated drug on the planet'
I actually agree with that.
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boltkunt
12:02 Sat Sep 26
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Have you ever done it, Nurse?
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Nurse Ratched
11:57 Sat Sep 26
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Lovely clean cocaine should be available on private script for social spastics like me who can't talk to people or enjoy going out without it.
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,
11:57 Sat Sep 26
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Once in a blue moon I have an opinion about a subject which lines up with Infidel's views.
My big issue with drugs is that there is a chain of criminality involved prior to their use which seems to be totally ignored by the end users on here. Alcohol is legally obtained and its overuse leads to much anti social behaviour and at its extreme family wrecking addiction. Nobody though burgled houses, cars, mugs people, gets involved in distribution gangs etc. for the supply and consumption of alcohol.
In my view we will never eradicate drug use but at least we can remove the chain of criminality involved in production, supply and use by removing the illegality involved.
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boltkunt
11:54 Sat Sep 26
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Coke creeps up on you, it starts off a social event and something extra to have on a night out, before you know it you're doing it before you've even touching alcohol, and it spirals into doing it two/three times a week.
your personality changes, you find youself lying to go out have a few beers and call it on again.
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The Kronic
11:54 Sat Sep 26
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Infidel 11:50
Ha!
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The Kronic
11:53 Sat Sep 26
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Agreed and Chan is the most over-rated drug on the planet, not to mention a rip off.
Give me a dram of 18 year old Laphroaig and a hash spliff any day.
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Infidel
11:50 Sat Sep 26
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Kronic
You wanted to throw acid in my face a few weeks ago.
Now you want to blow smoke at me.
Are you going soft ?
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Northern Sold
11:49 Sat Sep 26
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The health side does not bother me ED son... you could drink poison for all I care.... it's just that everyone I know off their face on Chaz is a fucking bore... no offence.... blokes off their face whilst smoking weed/blow etc are at least funny is a slurry fucked way...
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The Kronic
11:47 Sat Sep 26
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Infidel 11:43
*blows some Paki Red Seal in your tedious, bland fucking face.
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Infidel
11:43 Sat Sep 26
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Eerie, I do drink alcohol, and it's absolutely a fair point to suggest that drugs are no different.
But actually you are making my point for me.
Alcohol is legal while drugs are not. The consequence of that is that we are all introduced to alcohol in our teens whether we like it or not. It's everywhere.
We know what happens next. Most people are fine and drink alcohol responsibly for the rest of their lives. But a minority are not fine. Alcohol takes over their lives and destroys them. Every dream they ever had is lost to drink. Often it sends them to an early grave.
Drugs are the same. Some people can use drugs more or less safely their whole lives, but many cannot.
So my point is why? Why take the risk that you might be one of the unlucky ones? Unlike alcohol, drugs are not widely available and most people try them for the first time in adulthood, which means you get a chance to reflect on it and decide 'do I really want to do this'?
By the way I am a libertarian and I would legalise drugs. I don't think they should be banned - but my advice to anyone thinking of trying them for the first time is 'don't'.
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Eerie Descent
11:41 Sat Sep 26
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Northern Sold 11:30 Sat Sep 26
As it happens, Sold0, I very, very rarely do drugs anymore. Had my day with them, will probably have an occasional dabble, but I prefer just having a booze. But I have had some fucking outstanding times on drugs.
However, the fucking bollocks spouted by some, like you and Infidel, flies in the face that both of you indulge in the one drug that does more damage than any other. Do you not see the irony? No, you don't, purely because it's what you have been told/conditioned to think.
I'll tell you something for nothing, weed has caused far, far less damage to people, on every level, than booze has. What are the statistics on violent episodes that are committed as a consequence of booze to those of someone that is stoned?
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Northern Sold
11:32 Sat Sep 26
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Hammer and Pickle 11:27 Sat Sep 26
You was off your face when you wrote that wasn't you ? Big problem in the USSR I gather?
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